Hard to know.

Could go either way.

I can certainly imagine people avoiding it because of implied danger.

… but I can also imagine people evaluating it and concluding that “they don’t look sick, and they taste fine”.

I guess the decision depends on how hungry you are.

I think it’s important to point out that anyone making this decision was probably using the herd as a primary source of food…it’s pretty clearly a sign that you should hit the road.

I don’t have any credible feedback for you.

I dislike php. That’s my feeling. The vibe.

When I’m browsing self hostable things I avoid php unless it’s really the only option.

My completely unsupported “feeling” is that apps written in php are awkward and clunky and just less pleasant to host.

I’m sorry if that offends you, and I don’t care at all what you think of my opinion.

I only mentioned “php apps feel old” because I could see you were some kind of php devotee and that it would trigger you. Maybe look into that.

Pretty much me.

I’ve been daily driving debian for many years. I’m very comfortable here.

In 2025 with docker containers and flatpaks the benefits of an atomic OS don’t feel very compelling.

Yeah I daily drive debian stable.

With flatpaks and docker I never run into problems with my applications being too old or whatever.

Nextcloud really does feel old.

Guy, everyone operates off their own limited experience.

LibreOffice has user defined functions that work just fine. You’re just illustrating my point really.

It sounds like you’re talking the ability of ms office products to open documents authored by libreoffice.

I have no way to evaluate whether these claims are true. Pretty much verbatim what people say about libreoffice.

Can I ask your perspective on the comments here saying that Krita and Inkscape just aren’t comparable to their commercial alternatives?

The reason is… I’m not a professional graphic designer, I have a small consultancy with several staff and work with documents and spreadsheets all day.

Occasionally I encounter similar threads discussing the difference between LibreOffice and Microsoft Office, and the comments are all the same. So many people saying LibreOffice just “isn’t there yet”, or that it might be ok for casual use but not for power users.

But as someone who uses LibreOffice extensively with a broad feature set I’ve just never encountered something we couldn’t do. Sure we might work around some rough edges occasionally, but the feature set is clearly comparable.

My strongly held suspicion is that it’s a form of the dunning-kruger effect. People have a lot of experience using software-A so much so that they tend to overlook just how much skill and knowledge they have accumulated with that specific software. Then when they try software-B they misconstrue their lack of knowledge with that specific software as complexity.

Well it makes people feel like they’ve done something.

Is either diagnosis really helpful in figuring out a solution?

I wish there was something that just did file sync.

I know there’s syncthing but that’s not ideal for large repositories with many users and many files.

PHP apps always feel old.

What time is it in the US? He’s due to take a shit in a couple of hours I think so he will probably drop another brain fart.

Programmers like to think that programming is a special profession which only super smart people can do. There’s a reluctance to admit that there are smart people in other professions.

I take issue with the “replacing other industries” part.

I know that this is an unpopular opinion among programmers but all professions have roles that range from small skills sets and little cognitive abilities to large skill sets and high level cognitive abilities.

Generative AI is an incremental improvement in automation. In my industry it might make someone 10% more productive. For any role where it could make someone 20% more productive that role could have been made more efficient in some other way, be it training, templates, simple conversion scripts, whatever.

Basically, if someone’s job can be replaced by AI then they weren’t really producing any value in the first place.

Of course, this means that in a firm with 100 staff, you could get the same output with 91 staff plus Gen AI. So yeah in that context 9 people might be replaced by AI, but that doesn’t tend to be how things go in practice.

I don’t think this is true.

It’s not exciting to me any more because I hate the way it’s changing the world.

In the 2010s it felt like tech would save us.