Additionally, what changes are necessary for you to be able to use Linux full time?

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    They’re not doing anything wrong. This is my experience, as well as many many others. Why else would so many people and businesses overlook a completely free operating system? I’ve used all the “stable” distros.

    If I reported issues to the devs, I wouldn’t be doing anything else, and it wouldn’t solve the problem I have TODAY. This is not a solution.

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      “Why else would so many businesses overlook a completely free operating system”

      Well, they don’t. Plenty of businesses use Linux systems. It’s not (only) because it’s free, though. The issue of licensing often isn’t a factor that comes into play over having a system that just works. It’s easy to customize, flexible and comparatively secure. Your experiences with Linux are valid, but many businesses and individuals do use it daily and for good reason.

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        Well, they don’t. Plenty of businesses use Linux systems.

        Well they do. Plenty of businesses (ie: virtually all of them) use Windows. Those are the ones I was referring to.

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              That’s fair, but it’s hard to not bring up servers when someone is making broad statements like “businesses don’t use Linux”, though. In the scope of that particular discussion I feel servers are pertinent enough.

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            This is just nonsense.

            No. It’s not.

            Linux servers are all over the place.

            Linux servers are run by IT admin. AKA people who know how to use Linux.

            I feel like you’re not arguing in good faith, here.

            I feel like you’re making up bullshit arguments based on angry words you read on the Internet.

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              Yeah, businesses that use Linux generally hire people who know how to use Linux. I don’t think you actually know what you’re arguing about anymore, but you can do it by yourself. Hope things get better for you in the future.

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                Just because you aren’t able to understand what I’m saying doesn’t mean I don’t.

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      You are doing something wrong. Linux doesn’t blow up by itself… my grandparents and wife both run it for the past 5 years and haven’t had a single issue with it. So how is it that I know people that are completely tech illiterate and have no problems running it, but so many self-proclaimed “power users” here have issues with it?

      Linux isn’t going to wall you in and prevent you from breaking it. That’s what I love about it, it gives you power and control over your machine, but if you don’t have the knowledge to wield that power, then you shouldn’t be fucking around with changing things. Stick with the package manager, and don’t fuck with system configs… unless you actually understand how it effects the system.

      Why else would so many people and businesses overlook a completely free operating system

      There are many, many reasons… not a single one is stability.

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        If you think that’s the case. Check some big forums for each big distro right after a point update to read the tales of woe and breakage.

        My personal experience with this has been:

        Pop_OS broke after an update. Unrepairable as far as I could tell. And I tried hard. Happened to multiple.people there was a reddit thread about it.

        Fedora broke on an update. Not sure if repairable. I didn’t try. I had the most boring vanilla installation possible.

        Arch has been unbootable twice over the years. And had to do many manual interventions. Both times it was fixable.

        People are not lying to you when they say it breaks randomly. Just because it wasn’t your personal experience doesn’t mean it isn’t a common experience. You just have been lucky so far.

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          People are not lying to you when they say it breaks randomly. Just because it wasn’t your personal experience doesn’t mean it isn’t a common experience. You just have been lucky so far.

          Your’e right people are not lying, they just don’t realize what they have done to break it. Linux is great because it gives the users full power… and that includes the power to break it. Windows babysits the user, and it doesn’t allow them to make changes that break it.

          If you think that’s the case. Check some big forums for each big distro right after a point update to read the tales of woe and breakage.

          So? A lot of dumb people use Linux too… just because dumb people break things doesn’t mean that Linux isn’t stable. There is a reason 90% of web and cloud infrastructure runs on Linux… because it’s a more secure and stable OS.

          You just have been lucky so far.

          Luck has nothing to do with it.

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            Your’e right people are not lying, they just don’t realize what they have done to break it.

            I’m running a fresh Debian stable build for the past 2-3 days, with NO apt package installed(other than flatpak), no other modifications, vanilla as vanilla gets, only flatpaks installed.

            So far: On first install, apt upgrade was broken… lol… yeah.

            Other than that, it freezes on suspend, and I’m getting weird screen flickering that it’s really hard to troubleshoot so far, specially because when I turn on OBS it mysteriously just doesnt happen. Also steam doesnt open up sometimes, sometimes it does, depends on if you’re feeling lucky or not, it also doesnt respect the DE settings, so when it does open the scale is wrong, and everything is tiny.

            And this is with a distro known to be stable.

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          If you think that’s the case. Check some big forums for each big distro right after a point update to read the tales of woe and breakage.

          Again, Linux gives the user full control over it, and that includes the ability to break it… again, many people can not wield that power properly.

          People are not lying to you when they say it breaks randomly. Just because it wasn’t your personal experience doesn’t mean it isn’t a common experience. You just have been lucky so far.

          You’re right, they are not technically lying, they are just too dumb to realize the thing they did to break it. When immutable distros become more popular, those people will be less likely to break things.

          You just have been lucky so far.

          It has absolutely nothing to do with luck. Don’t get me wrong, some Linux distros are known for updates breaking them. Arch based distros are infamous for it… but those are bleeding edge, rolling release distros. Distros based on Debian? Redhat? Never fucking break… there are reasons 90% of the top web and cloud infrastructures run on Linux: security and stability.

          And Windows breaks all the time with updates… multiple times Windows updates have deleted peoples’ user files. That’s the most erogenous thing an OS can do… delete important user files.

          https://www.howtogeek.com/fyi/microsoft-explains-why-windows-10s-october-2018-update-was-deleting-peoples-files/

          https://www.howtogeek.com/658194/windows-10s-new-update-is-deleting-peoples-files-again/