• AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml
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    7 days ago

    I have a solution: don’t give up meat and you collapse the fucking ecosystem and then you’ll give up meat because you’ll be starving to death

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      7 days ago

      The fact that a better alternative is becoming available, and y’all are still insisting the only possible option is giving up meat entirely, really proves that it’s not about the environment and y’all just want to force your choices on everyone else.

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        6 days ago

        What a profoundly fucking stupid thing to say.

        Because there are alternatives

        It proves your argument about the environment is a deceptive lie you’re using cynically

        Selfish spoiled little baby ‘I want to do whatever I want no matter what it costs the world outside of me’ because I’m the only thing in the universe that matters me me me me

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          6 days ago

          I’m a vegetarian, dumbass. But I understand it will be quicker to build vat grown meat facilities than convert everyone to vegetarianism. We do not have more than a generation or two before the planet becomes unlivable.

          Grow up.

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            6 days ago

            We don’t have a generation or two left.

            People can choose to give up meat now or they’ll give up meat later when no one can afford it anymore. I won’t need to force them to become vegetarian, the economic conditions will do it for me. I’ll just be ready before everyone else.

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              5 days ago

              So we’re going to rely on voluntary behavior from people and Big Ag producers. That’s a fucking abysmal plan.

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                5 days ago

                There is no plan! That’s my point.

                Environmental collapse is going to make meat impossible for 99% of people. There won’t be anything voluntary about it, people just won’t be able to afford meat and so they’ll stop eating it.

                We could avoid this with central planning and regulations, but we won’t.

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                  5 days ago

                  So you’re alarmed, but not enough to support vat grown meat alternatives? That’s a bridge too far?

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                    5 days ago

                    It’s a waste of our limited time and resources. If it’s ever viable it’s just going to be a treat for rich people, it will not ever be viable as a mass meat alternative for most people.

                    It’s right up there with cold fusion and general AI. It’s not happening, not on the timescale needed to avoid catastrophic climate change.

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        7 days ago

        It’s not available. It’s an expensive, comparatively hands-on process that can only produce good ground beef and shitty everything else.

        You know something that tastes like meat, has the texture of meat, and has the nutritional qualities of meat? Fucking meat, which you could still have if you really wanted it, you’d just have to do it once every few weeks instead of twice a day.

        Failing that, there’s already a high protein meat substitute that has good texture, flavor and is super cheap in terms of labor and water, it’s called a mushroom.

        it really proves that it’s not about the environment and y’all just want to force your choices

        Lmao. Believe it or not, most people don’t give a single shit about your dietary choices. I love meat myself, if lab grown meat were as good, could be as cheap, or as labor efficient, I’d be all for it like I am for, say, nuclear. But it just ain’t so, this futurist fetishism that some libs have is so fucking ridiculous and it’s really telling that when people tell you why it’s just not feasible your first instinct is to go “you’re literally 1984ing me rn”

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          6 days ago

          Uh huh. So unfeasible, but Big Ag lobbyists are working to get it banned in multiple states (already successful in Florida)? Something doesn’t add up.

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            6 days ago

            trying to ban the competition is just business as usual in the US, that’s ridiculously far from lab grown meat being a viable alternative.

            Again, you can make fine burger meat with that process, anything else is fucking shit at the moment. It probably will get better eventually, but who knows how long it’ll be and there’s other sources of protein readily available already that don’t entail giving enormous subsidies to yet another fucking corporation.

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                5 days ago

                Jfc are you 9? They attempt to ban prospective competition, it doesn’t need to actually have significant market cap. The point is to strangle stuff in the cradle.

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                    4 days ago

                    Oh my, they have burger patties in the store? Wagyu beef and USDA Choice ribeye sellers must be shaking in their boots. Run and tell Tyson, if they subsidize lab grown meat nobody will buy a single chicken breast again now that there’s the option to buy a vegan burger for the same price a regular burger used to cost!