For me it would probably be Canada. Seems like we share alot of values with them, and we could do more trading than we do today.
Especially if they also will have tensions with the US, it would be a win win.
But what do you guys think? Northern Africa would be an obvious choice in the future, but I don’t know if they’re ready.
PS. This is not a post talking about leave the US entirely. Ofc not. It would just be better for us to work with others and expand our worldview a little.
Europe has been moving geopolitically closer to the US over the last few years as, most notably, Europe moves quickly away from Russian energy and toward US energy. We have also seen increased purchasing of US arms by European countries. Have a look at F-35 and HIMARS sales, for example. Poland, in particular, went on a huge buying spree for US and Korean arms.
Furthermore, European countries are building manufacturing plants in the US, rather than making the stuff in Europe and shipping it over. This is most apparent with German cars.
To answer your question: “Who do you see Europe collaborating more with in the future”, and the answer is resoundingly the US. With upticks in collaboration with SE Asian countries that aren’t China.
Europe is moving closer to what US once was, and the US is moving closer to Russia. How ironic
Blacklist us and take us off your phone contacts. We’re irredeemable and completely insane. It’s why I’m looking to leave.
Hey good luck and all. And I’m happy for you. Just be thankful you can. Most of us can’t.
We’re still cooperating a lot with China, despite all she human rights concerns.
Some billionaire like Frenchman Bolloré are using the same strategy as Musk and Murdoch to push their propaganda and far right does well in elections
While we are a it more economically progressive than US, it’s not like gay rights or drug legalisation or even abortion are widely accepted.
Huh? Europe has been moving closer and closer to the US for years now.
Yeah for sure, but the US has taken a sharp turn to the right in the last 4 years, and especially the last 6 months.
Some countries in the EU might also vote more right, but nothing compared to the States.
Everything is moving right.
You’re approaching this from a “who do I like” angle.
Another approach is the “what’s being traded angle”. Right now EU imports mostly LNG from the US (“The EU had trade deficits in energy (€70 billion) and raw materials (€6 billion) and other goods (€2 billion).” (1). Norway is already exporting at max, EU does not want to exploit natural gas resources domestically, so that leaves only the golf states.
Export is mostly divided between vehicles, chemicals, machinery (“In 2023, the EU had trade surpluses in machinery & vehicles (€102 billion), chemicals (€58 billion), other manufactured goods (€55 billion)”).
So markets that can afford luxury german cars, canada, china, australia. But they’d have to compete with chinese cars. Basic chemicals are easier to sell elsewhere.
What does this mean? The whole world is moving right. How is the US leaving the northern powers
The whole world is not moving right in the same way as the US right now.
In Europe we get more rights, and in the US you loose your right to abortion entirely.
The US is now trying to take Panama, Canada and Greenland, which sounds alot like dictatorships like Russia and China.
So no, no one else in the western world is moving towards that. But I’m sure both Musk and Zuckerberg want you to see it that way on their platforms.
What rights do you have in Europe that we don’t have in the US?
In Europe we get more rights, and in the US you loose your right to abortion entirely.
That’s not true at all. In fact, lots of states give access to abortion much longer than Europe does. And before anyone says healthcare, we do have universal healthcare, it’s just used as a safety net rather than a default. Every American has access to it as long as they meet financial requirements. I spent 4 years on it myself and it was great.
The US is not trying to take anything, we’re negotiating prices for territorial strategies.
I think whatever news you watch or listen to is fear mongering.
What rights do you have in Europe that we don’t have in the US?
Easy. Privacy.
Right to our data. Freedom to choose an App Store, search engine etc for our phones. Geo-locking is illegal for our digital services. We could continue?
We have the right to privacy too, though the tech version you lay out here are more robust. Our right is to not purchase the products that require us to give access to our data. There are ways to keep private online, but it is much more difficult.
Our right is to not purchase the products that require us to give access to our data.
You can’t hear how that sounds? Congratulations, you are allowed to NOT buy something.
You’re not even told when they steal your data, because there’s not even a rule for that either.
I didn’t say it’s perfect or even good, I don’t like it either, but we’re talking rights. Here, the product has a right to take our data as long as we consent to it - and you’re wrong, we are told when they take our data, most of us just don’t read the print, and click accept.
Not sure why you’re so bitter about it, or why you’re so consistently wrong about absolute rights we do or don’t have.
Then you haven’t paid attention to European elections.
in the US you loose your right to abortion entirely
This is a massive, massive exaggeration of the state of abortion access in the US.
The US is now trying to take Panama, Canada and Greenland
Trump likes to bluster. The US will not be invading Panama, Canada, or Greenland.
The US isn’t moving like you think it is moving. And that seems to be throwing off your views on how European and US relations have been and will continue to develop over the next decade.
Countries will all take back seat to the all mighty profit. Oh and some bullshit about defending the fabled promised land to keep constituents happy.
The issue is the far right and their sympathisants. Once those are out of the way, we can talk.
For that the US has to address its problems, like the billionnaires getting richer and richer and somehow there being no nationwide revolution. Media being very fear-focused and demanding to treat others inhumanely is also an issue, alongside with social media algorithms bolstering this.
With Russia of course! But they They won’t want to…
