Eating meat doesn’t sustain some kind of curse. It’s an environmental problem because of current factory farming methods. They’ve invented a better method, and you’re sticking to your guns as if it’s the act of eating causing the pollution, and not the production. Moronic.
It is an environmental problem because the resources required to obtain the same caloric/nutritional content from meat is far higher than the alternatives. If the “better method” is better than our current method of meat production but still too intensive to maintain at scale then it doesn’t solve the problem without reducing the scale of meat consumption.
That doesn’t mean nobody can eat meat, it just means that on average people need to eat LESS meat.
Why are you so against people eating less meat? Your arguments here are akin to the “nuclear energy” bros who rag on renewables all day. Just like we can use renewables and rely on nuclear to fill any gaps, we can lessen meat consumption and rely on less intensive forms of meat production to fill the gaps.
You can want that all day. Still an absolutely unworkable plan. If you actually care about the environment, work towards realistic goals instead of letting perfect be the enemy of good.
Within our current political-economic system? End subsidies for farmed meat, subsidize alternatives, and raise awareness on the issue as well as about health effects of excess meat consumption.
This will have the “push” effect of driving up farmed meat prices while having the “pull” effects of cheaper, healthier alternatives. There is nothing in particular to enforce.
Edit: and as the market on farmed meat becomes less profitable producers will leave the industry as well which leads to a sort of “spiral” as scarcity goes up, raising prices, pushing more away.
Exactly. And subsidizing vat grown meat is a great way to supercharge those efforts.
But it’s also has a lot of people outing their true intentions. A lot of folks who claimed they advocated for meatless diets for environmental reasons still oppose vat grown meat. Because really they just want to force their preference on others.
The fact that a better alternative is becoming available, and y’all are still insisting the only possible option is giving up meat entirely, really proves that it’s not about the environment and y’all just want to force your choices on everyone else.
It proves your argument about the environment is a deceptive lie you’re using cynically
Selfish spoiled little baby ‘I want to do whatever I want no matter what it costs the world outside of me’ because I’m the only thing in the universe that matters me me me me
I’m a vegetarian, dumbass. But I understand it will be quicker to build vat grown meat facilities than convert everyone to vegetarianism. We do not have more than a generation or two before the planet becomes unlivable.
People can choose to give up meat now or they’ll give up meat later when no one can afford it anymore. I won’t need to force them to become vegetarian, the economic conditions will do it for me. I’ll just be ready before everyone else.
Environmental collapse is going to make meat impossible for 99% of people. There won’t be anything voluntary about it, people just won’t be able to afford meat and so they’ll stop eating it.
We could avoid this with central planning and regulations, but we won’t.
It’s not available. It’s an expensive, comparatively hands-on process that can only produce good ground beef and shitty everything else.
You know something that tastes like meat, has the texture of meat, and has the nutritional qualities of meat? Fucking meat, which you could still have if you really wanted it, you’d just have to do it once every few weeks instead of twice a day.
Failing that, there’s already a high protein meat substitute that has good texture, flavor and is super cheap in terms of labor and water, it’s called a mushroom.
it really proves that it’s not about the environment and y’all just want to force your choices
Lmao. Believe it or not, most people don’t give a single shit about your dietary choices. I love meat myself, if lab grown meat were as good, could be as cheap, or as labor efficient, I’d be all for it like I am for, say, nuclear. But it just ain’t so, this futurist fetishism that some libs have is so fucking ridiculous and it’s really telling that when people tell you why it’s just not feasible your first instinct is to go “you’re literally 1984ing me rn”
trying to ban the competition is just business as usual in the US, that’s ridiculously far from lab grown meat being a viable alternative.
Again, you can make fine burger meat with that process, anything else is fucking shit at the moment. It probably will get better eventually, but who knows how long it’ll be and there’s other sources of protein readily available already that don’t entail giving enormous subsidies to yet another fucking corporation.
Jfc are you 9? They attempt to ban prospective competition, it doesn’t need to actually have significant market cap. The point is to strangle stuff in the cradle.
If you can only consider solutions that require everyone to give up eating meat, you will never get enough people on board.
They said nothing about everyone giving up on meat.
We don’t have infinite resources on our finite planet. People need to eat less meat. They stated some ways to encourage that transition.
Eating meat doesn’t sustain some kind of curse. It’s an environmental problem because of current factory farming methods. They’ve invented a better method, and you’re sticking to your guns as if it’s the act of eating causing the pollution, and not the production. Moronic.
It is an environmental problem because the resources required to obtain the same caloric/nutritional content from meat is far higher than the alternatives. If the “better method” is better than our current method of meat production but still too intensive to maintain at scale then it doesn’t solve the problem without reducing the scale of meat consumption.
That doesn’t mean nobody can eat meat, it just means that on average people need to eat LESS meat.
Why are you so against people eating less meat? Your arguments here are akin to the “nuclear energy” bros who rag on renewables all day. Just like we can use renewables and rely on nuclear to fill any gaps, we can lessen meat consumption and rely on less intensive forms of meat production to fill the gaps.
That’s simply not true. The energy cost for beef is astronomical.
How do you plan to enforce less meat consumption?
Rationing. No store is allowed to sell more than X amount of meat to any individual.
It’d create black markets and such, but the overall consumption would still go down.
You can want that all day. Still an absolutely unworkable plan. If you actually care about the environment, work towards realistic goals instead of letting perfect be the enemy of good.
What did I say that isn’t true? I never said the energy cost of beef wasn’t huge. Quite the opposite in fact…
Maybe I misread. So what’s your plan to enforce it?
Within our current political-economic system? End subsidies for farmed meat, subsidize alternatives, and raise awareness on the issue as well as about health effects of excess meat consumption.
This will have the “push” effect of driving up farmed meat prices while having the “pull” effects of cheaper, healthier alternatives. There is nothing in particular to enforce.
Edit: and as the market on farmed meat becomes less profitable producers will leave the industry as well which leads to a sort of “spiral” as scarcity goes up, raising prices, pushing more away.
Exactly. And subsidizing vat grown meat is a great way to supercharge those efforts.
But it’s also has a lot of people outing their true intentions. A lot of folks who claimed they advocated for meatless diets for environmental reasons still oppose vat grown meat. Because really they just want to force their preference on others.
I have a solution: don’t give up meat and you collapse the fucking ecosystem and then you’ll give up meat because you’ll be starving to death
The fact that a better alternative is becoming available, and y’all are still insisting the only possible option is giving up meat entirely, really proves that it’s not about the environment and y’all just want to force your choices on everyone else.
What a profoundly fucking stupid thing to say.
Selfish spoiled little baby ‘I want to do whatever I want no matter what it costs the world outside of me’ because I’m the only thing in the universe that matters me me me me
I’m a vegetarian, dumbass. But I understand it will be quicker to build vat grown meat facilities than convert everyone to vegetarianism. We do not have more than a generation or two before the planet becomes unlivable.
Grow up.
We don’t have a generation or two left.
People can choose to give up meat now or they’ll give up meat later when no one can afford it anymore. I won’t need to force them to become vegetarian, the economic conditions will do it for me. I’ll just be ready before everyone else.
So we’re going to rely on voluntary behavior from people and Big Ag producers. That’s a fucking abysmal plan.
There is no plan! That’s my point.
Environmental collapse is going to make meat impossible for 99% of people. There won’t be anything voluntary about it, people just won’t be able to afford meat and so they’ll stop eating it.
We could avoid this with central planning and regulations, but we won’t.
So you’re alarmed, but not enough to support vat grown meat alternatives? That’s a bridge too far?
It’s not available. It’s an expensive, comparatively hands-on process that can only produce good ground beef and shitty everything else.
You know something that tastes like meat, has the texture of meat, and has the nutritional qualities of meat? Fucking meat, which you could still have if you really wanted it, you’d just have to do it once every few weeks instead of twice a day.
Failing that, there’s already a high protein meat substitute that has good texture, flavor and is super cheap in terms of labor and water, it’s called a mushroom.
Lmao. Believe it or not, most people don’t give a single shit about your dietary choices. I love meat myself, if lab grown meat were as good, could be as cheap, or as labor efficient, I’d be all for it like I am for, say, nuclear. But it just ain’t so, this futurist fetishism that some libs have is so fucking ridiculous and it’s really telling that when people tell you why it’s just not feasible your first instinct is to go “you’re literally 1984ing me rn”
Uh huh. So unfeasible, but Big Ag lobbyists are working to get it banned in multiple states (already successful in Florida)? Something doesn’t add up.
trying to ban the competition is just business as usual in the US, that’s ridiculously far from lab grown meat being a viable alternative.
Again, you can make fine burger meat with that process, anything else is fucking shit at the moment. It probably will get better eventually, but who knows how long it’ll be and there’s other sources of protein readily available already that don’t entail giving enormous subsidies to yet another fucking corporation.
If it’s not a viable alternative, it’s not competition. Pick a lane.
Jfc are you 9? They attempt to ban prospective competition, it doesn’t need to actually have significant market cap. The point is to strangle stuff in the cradle.
“Prospective.” It’s already being stocked in some stores.