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        I’ve been lurking reddit lately, to see what propaganda the normies in the US are exposed to, and I found this thread fucking hilarious.

        Every comment is complaining about how this will be the death of reddit. None of them realize Reddit already died years ago, and they’re just getting high off the ashes.

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        they made a post, got tons of downvotes, then complained about downvotes which also got downvoted, got caught by automod because of downvotes, appealed, got unbanned, then deleted account or got purged because nothing even shows in modlog. the account was on sjw, posts were to communities in .ml and lw

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        this is my first acc on lemmy, i had no idea that was a seperate login. whats ML?

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          Lemmy has a feature called federation, which means that anyone can setup their own lemmy server and run it how they want, but it will connect to all the other servers, so they share the same posts. lemmy.ml is one server, but it has some tankies who are people who think authoritarian regimes, like soviet russia, were good.

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          Lemmy.ml is a lemmy community primarily composed of socialists. Because socialists are highly critical of racist behaviour, white supremacist tropes, US exceptionalism/western chauvinism, imperialist attitudes (many of which bleed in well-meaning liberals), and capitalist countries, they don’t tolerate such things in their community and are very critical when they see such things in other communities, which is often met with distrust and dislike because nobody enjoys being confronted. .ml are very confrontational and they get met with confrontation. There are also some legit problems with a few moderators expressing transphobic beliefs, which is why i personally choose hexbear as my main community. Kinda sad that people here have such a red scare as if it were communists and not fascists in governments all over the western world right now and increasingly so.

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        “Tankie instances” don’t tolerate transphobia or western exceptionalism or Zionism. Lib instances don’t tolerate questioning of US State Department propaganda (been banned from many comms for questioning the validity of Wikipedia articles on geopolitically charged topics) but will tolerate Zionism (downvoted but not banned). I’d rather have the former

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      Its 100% on purpose, those arent the most relevant or highest rated posts, cherrypicked

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      Hell yeah! Consider sticking around for a bit. Don’t forget that you have the power to block individuals, communities, and even entire instances if you’re having a bad time. Not sure if reddit gives you all that power, but it has its uses!

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        Not sure if reddit gives you all that power

        It does not. Was one of the reasons that I abandoned it when they blocked third party clients. I resent being forced to view right-wing propaganda, rage-bait, and ads as well as being forced to short by opaque algorithms that are clearly intended to manipulate.

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      I can only see one of those two posts (the second one) and it’s pretty well reasoned (I don’t agree though, just saying they did provide their reasoning in more than enough words imo). If you’re interested, here’s the link.

      To summarize it:

      • UI worse than New Reddit (I personally agree with it being at least just as bad, that’s why I didn’t go to Lemmy)
      • Big instances are laggy (remember, the post is from 7 months ago not today, so don’t compare the statement to how they are now)
      • Bad mod tools (a common complaint I see about Lemmy)
      • Too much far left and tech focus (another common complaint)
      • It’s not active enough (yet another common complaint)
      • Shitty mods (I disagree with the specific claim made about them being worse than Reddit ones, but I’ve definitely seen at least one shitty mod here so far, and too many are neglectful)
      • Lemmy developers are Maoist (fact iirc)
      • The community is filled with far left extremists, Mao worshippers, dictator bootlickers, and genocide supporters (the one actually unreasonable take imo which indicates they went to the wrong instance)
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        The user got banned by the automod in the first one.

        ashenblood 45 points 7 months ago

        You got banned by the automod because your account was less than 24 hours old and you received 40 downvotes on a post. That filter is in place to combat spambots and trolls, because normal users are unlikely to trigger it by getting so many downvotes so soon after making an account

        I messaged the admin and they already unbanned your account. …

        https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1e0xugs/stay_away_from_lemmy/

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      Possibly landed in Hexbear. In combination with Spaz’s purge of all things Lemmy encouraging.

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      so small and bitter but you just smile through it and say “it’s so good! 😢”?
      maybe I don’t know how to grow stuff…

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        You kind of just tipped your hand at your gardening ability. And also that you’ve never had a real tomato.

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          I argue mostly everyone here never had a real banana. No, the ones in the stores aren’t the original flavor.

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          you are correct, I have been known to somehow kill a cactus or two.

          Spider plants are going insane though, dispute losing >50% of them to the cold and rain this winter they are still living just fine. They’re like the plant version of cockroaches

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          Even last year when my tomatoes did poorly they still taste so much better than supermarket ones. Tbh outside a greenhouse I don’t think they really grow very well in the UK at all but I was given them so decided to try in the garden.

          Main things I am growing is rosemary, thyme, sage, chives, mint, garlic and opium. But I kinda want to start guerrilla gardening some fruit bushes. Raspberries would be nice to plant around town.

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    I don’t get the hate this place gets. It’s been really interesting watching Lemmy’s growing pains over the last two-ish years and all the changes it has undergone. The whole concept of the Fediverse is fascinating to me and has been a genuine delight to explore.

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      Agreed. I never even had Instagram or twitter but I’ve become a pixelfed and mastodon lurker after enjoying Lemmy for 1+ years. The comment section here is miles ahead of reddit, where you get repost after repost and the same old tired jokes in every comment section.
      The fediverse is fantastic and I’m happy to be a (very minor) part of it.

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        I’m almost 40, this place reminds me of the early internet in a good way. Like, people connecting and sharing ideas… what even Reddit used to feel like. Sure, sometimes there are arguments but, due to the lack of an “outage” algorithm to juice engagement, you usually only hear about it unless it’s something you directly follow. With the lack of profit motive on the side of the platform and hosting end of things, it appears that trolls and clout chasers have a genuine hard time monopolizing everyone’s attention.

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          I’m a little older and while all my buddies were on the internet in the early days it didn’t interest me but I was well aware of how it functioned.

          I was a reddit lurker back when it was cool and a place to gain knowledge (depending on the sub) then a few years back finally becoming a user until the last couple years seeing it really go down hill fast turning into a typical " social media platform"

          Leemy gives me a sense of nostalgia for something I missed out on in the past. …And I don’t feel like an asshole scrolling in my spare time

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            I feel that as well, but I think that may be as a consequence of there being such a small user base. It may go away with time.

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        I haven’t really seen it outside of the like normal levels of hate. Which subLemmys or whatever are you seeing it on?

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          Just in general there is no level of chill. I have the down votes completely disabled

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            Avoid the news communities and filter out the Trump and Elon spam and you’ll have a much better time.

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      I blame Tankies. They’re too aggressive with their “liberals this, liberals that” bullshit, which drives a way a lot of people cause that makes Lemmy look like a MAGA-infested shithole to anyone who doesn’t know what a Tankie this.

      Hexbear and LemmyGrad’s bullshit almost made me quit Lemmy day one, until I learned how instances work and how to block them. I imagine that less-determined redditors will take one look at this place, see a liberal-bashing post, and then immediately fuck off.

      I wish Tankies would just stay in their own god damn space, and keep their bootlicking politics to themselves. They’re ruining Lemmy.

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            I mean, tbf, joining the military IS what made me start looking into the concept of Socialism and what it means.

            Is the military socialism? No, us Enlisted have no power and the Officer corps is the “owning class”, but we have good, tax payer funded social benefits that I believe everyone should have access to.

            It’s like a gateway drug into anti-capitalism idealogies. If the US is never going to go full socialist (or at least not in our lifetimes), then I think raising taxes and giving everyone TRICARE, VA Loan benefits, tuition assistance, and a pension will go a long way in solving most people’s biggest fears/relieving a metric fuckton of oppression caused by capitalism.

            Also, having been to the Middle East and seen firsthand the stark difference of people driving around Ducatis and Lambos, parking in front malls inlaid with real gold, while 10 minutes up the road whole communities had built their shack homes in the desert with random odds and ends and thrown blankets over their windows was…I cant really describe the feeling I got. Dread, anger, immense sadness, just a whole myriad of negative emotions. Couple that with the intense religious fervor that is rampant in the region, and yeah, I have no idea how a military member can look at all that and be like “This. This is what America needs.”

            Granted, yes, unfortunately a lot of our service men and women are still unfortunately extremely pro-Capitalism/Trump and Elon Musk fanboys…I just don’t know how.

            Either way, my comment got long, but when people start in on the “The Army is Socialist!” Dont be mad. Educate! They’re at the very least coming from a place of “Fuck, we really could make everyones lives better if we give everyone these benefits that we enjoy so much!” And that shows compassion for others, which is something so fucking desperately needed right now.

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        I blame the anti-tankies. Like this is the only site i even see the termed even used and it looks like a weird hysteria for most. The community is already smal so it looks relay wired. Even this whinny attitude of blocking every one on this tiny space give real off vibes.

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          I am much more liberal with the block on lemmy than reddit simply because I know that I will probably have to interact with the person again if I don’t block them. I dont think I ever blocked more than maybe 10 people in the entirety of my time on reddit. on lemmy I block basically everyone I just don’t want to hear from.

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        Can confirm - I’m new here and when I see pieces of shit who’d be right at home amongst the people my grandfather killed in WWII (AKA nazis) it doesn’t make me more interested in sticking around. At this point IDGAF why they think they way they think, they can fuck off into the sun. At some point I’ll see whatever blocking thing there is and it will get better. Still an improvement over reddit.

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          people my grandfather killed in WWII

          YSK that it was tankies who killed 80% of the Nazis in ww2

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            We know, it was a team effort.

            There was also that broken Nazi/Soviet pact and all that carving up of other peoples countries though that was supposed to go the other way.

            And look, another Nazi plot with the Russians.

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              The Nazis had pacts with literally everyone. The Soviets were one of the last to sign one, because they had spent the proceeding years trying to form an explicitly anti-Nazi pact with the capitalist nations, only to be rebuffed.

              If Chamberlain had listened to Stalin, the war either wouldn’t have happened, or it would have been over much more quickly.

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                It’s the cutting up other peoples countries part without their say that the bully countries never understand.

                There was also a secret protocol to the pact, which was revealed only after Germany’s defeat in 1945[101] although hints about its provisions had been leaked much earlier, so as to influence Lithuania.[102] According to the protocol, Poland, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland were divided into German and Soviet “spheres of influence”.[101] In the north, Finland, Estonia, and Latvia were assigned to the Soviet sphere.[101] Poland was to be partitioned in the event of its “political rearrangement”: the areas east of the PisaNarewVistula, and San rivers would go to the Soviet Union, and Germany would occupy the west.[101] Lithuania, which was adjacent to East Prussia, was assigned to the German sphere of influence, but a second secret protocol, agreed to in September 1939, reassigned Lithuania to the Soviet Union.[103] According to the protocol, Lithuania would be granted its historical capital, Vilniuswhich was part of Poland during the interwar period. Another clause stipulated that Germany would not interfere with the Soviet Union’s actions towards Bessarabia, which was then part of Romania.[101] As a result, Bessarabia as well as the Northern Bukovina and Hertsa regions were occupied by the Soviets and integrated into the Soviet Union.

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact

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                  It’s the cutting up other peoples countries part without their say

                  Please tell me what alternative there was for these “cut up countries”. If the USSR hadn’t established military presence in these countries, they’d just have been invaded by the Nazis. Maybe you expect the Soviet Union, after being ignored for a decade of mutual defense negotiations, to selflessly send its people to die for the countries that refused a military alliance? Like literally, what was the alternative here

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        they already have thier safe spaces on r/consevative, conspiracy, and trueunpopular opinon, but they whine on other subs that th ey are still get censored, or the so-called left is in an echo-chamber ever since trump won. even though those sub is mostly run by russian state owned bot system.

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        I imagine that less-determined redditors will take one look at this place, see a liberal-bashing post, and then immediately fuck off

        Good. The last thing we need is more stormfront brainrot.

        Also, quite the ironic comment.

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    My beef with Lemmy:

    • It’s weighted towards politics
    • Not a lot of niche sub critical mass yet (though this is not its fault at all)
    • But holy moly, it’s a political purity test! Like, I think of myself as pretty socialist, way far off center, but I feel totally alone veering off certain topics or even acknowledging certain things! I’m (mostly) not getting banned, and I am not leaving, but still.
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      I feel like 3 kinda comes with the territory of politics. The sort of people who mod political forums have more rigid ideas of what ideas should prevail in the discourse than someone modding a board for embedded electronics, not that that’s an inherently bad thing.

      It just feels worse because a greater portion of Lemmy is politics; here I’ve caught bans for being insufficiently pro-Kamala months after the election or not going along with a china bad circlejerk, but at reddit people catch bans for “John Brown did nothing wrong” or just posting footage from Palestine.

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        Yeah. To be clear, I don’t feel “persecuted” by the administration, just the community. That’s a very important difference.

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        I’ve caught bans for being insufficiently pro-Kamala

        I talked some shit during the election and didn’t cop a ban lol. I guess you either had more visibility or were in even more extreme places than I was?

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      For the moment, I just don’t engage in political discussion on Lemmy. It is way to extreme for me in general. It makes sense tho that those who don’t feel their opinions fit anywhere else (or get them banned etc.) gather in a place that allows for freer discussion, which I think is a good thing really.

      And also just posting about niche music makes me happier than getting angry online so… That’s been a good motivation.

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        Honestly I think your approach is closer to the ideal: it’s pretty poisonous to the mind if most of the content you take in is political in nature. You need to explore other stuff too, broaden horizons and all that.

        I’ve been learning how to design parts with CAD software and 3D print it. Also got a home server going to host games and media, among other things. These hobbies keep me sane, and that’s what I’m ultimately getting at: people need to get a hobby that isn’t about being mad on the internet.

        Also instead of just whining on the internet, its far more effective to engage in local politics and build up a base of people there than hoping that “someone” will do “something” about the whole country. That “someone” has to come from somewhere: create the grassroots that can be the base from which change springs.

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      But holy moly, it’s a political purity test! Like, I think of myself as pretty socialist, way far off center, but I feel totally alone veering off certain topics or even acknowledging certain things! I’m (mostly) not getting banned, and I am not leaving, but still.

      I saw people advocating for damaging people’s Teslas and it was fucking stupid. Beyond the fact that many people are not in a position where they can just get rid of a car over political reasons, it is likely many or even the majority of Tesla owners do not vote Republican (conservatives have been much slower to adopt EVs): you’re very likely going to damage vehicles owned by totally innocent people.

      I own a non-Tesla EV but either way it would be excessively expensive to switch to another car on a whim, and I sure as hell am not going to deprive my family just because seeing my car’s brand hurts people’s feelings.

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        Agree with the sentiment, I feel like cybertrucks deserve an exemption though, agree or disagree?

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          If this is your form of protest at least target someone who has materially contributed to this state of affairs, and by that I don’t mean random Republican voters.

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      Lemmy Leftists feel like that old Emo Philips joke at times.

      Apparently anyone not wanting to live in a grey soviet tower block and have all their worldly possessions be redistributed by the state is a “fucking Lib”

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      It’s expected. Right now, it is becoming a safe space for political dissidence. As sentiment pools and gathers mass, things tend to get towards the polar opposites and revolt breeds more revolt. Anything less than total agreement is viewed sideways.

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      It’s scary until you notice you don’t get banned for disagreeing & challenging their dumbassery (as long as you follow the rules), unlike reddit where the slightest wrong move & it’s BAN BAN BAN. Fuck that place.

      It also helps to check which instance a post comes from & adjust your expectations accordingly.

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        It also helps to check which instance a post comes from & adjust your expectations accordingly.

        Fundamentally, Reddit has (in the Past) better moderation, and theirs is lousy.

        (CC BY-NC-SA 4.0)

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      I got banned from the Star Trek Memes sub, or something, for very mild trolling. I don’t even remember what earned it, I think I said I can’t get my head around an animated Star Trek and can’t accept it as canon or something, and then the trolling was just me doubling down on that opinion (which is an actual opinion). People do love their fandoms.

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      i argue that there arent really any niche communities. if I see a site with slow and limited posts, and 0 comments on most of those posts, can I really call that a community? i like video games and furry stuff. the video game and furry stuff sites have next to nothing on them. apparently the only ‘geeks’ here are Linux users who only talk about Linux distros or tankies who hate everyone and everything

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        Agreed.

        I need to force myself to post/comment more in these subs though. Like I am trying to keep an eye on /c/thelastairbender for instance, but there are more.

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    One of these is someone complaining about a ban from automod triggered by tons of downvotes on fresh account. That is, their takes were so shit that they were swept by tool meant for spambots

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      And the replies explained that to them. It sounds like they were actually about even on upvotes to downvotes, but it was enough for an automod to act. They got unbanned after a real mod intervened. It is a frustrating experience, but one that’s going to vary by instance and community. They mentioned in an edit that they might give it another shot.

      The other post did have some legitimate complaints about lack of content, most activity being tech bros, far-left politics, and shitpost, cumbersome ui, bad moderation, and elitist users. All of these I agree with even if I think they were exaggerated considerably. But they have all gotten better over time or can be much mitigated with some effort on the user’s part.

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    If the rest of the post is: BECAUSE THEY’RE TOO LIBERAL.

    Good. We don’t need anyone deterred by that. We do a fine enough job fighting amongst ourselves.

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    Ima be real everyone is kissing lemmys ass but… I mean, it feels like reddit? Which is good?

    Feels no different from reddit so far lol it’s not better or worse, really

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      The top comment on reddit is always a stupid fucking joke or pun. Not so on lemmy. That’s the biggest difference I notice when I go back to look at reddit. On popular posts the whole first 3 threads are inane bullshit.

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        “I also chose this guys dead wife”…

        Like the inside jokes were really good on Reddit like the switcheroo one, or the guy that always had that whole comment that ended in the wrestling scene but most of them were just repeated to death

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      New here but so far it feels like Reddit used to feel 10 years ago - a bit less populated maybe.

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      Yeah Lemmy has the user base that will dogpile you if you say something mildly upsetting

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      Main difference from reddit is that you don’t see the same joke repeated in every thread. And here if you comment something it’ll probably be read by at least a few people.

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      Here, your comment doesn’t get completely buried if you make one on a popular post. Part of that is the lack of heavy volume, of course, but I also feel like the sorting is more favorable to less upvoted comments.

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      .ml and hexbear are full of rancid dogshit, on the same level of mental illness as r/conservative.

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          I don’t know if it’s funnier or sad how many .world people seethe at people they’ve never even federated with

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            i moved to .world from .ml because of the annoying ass tankies. it’s not what they were saying that annoyed me it was their attitude. they acted like 14 years olds that just discovered atheism and think everyone else on the Internet is Catholic.

            but also, the intense defense is Russia and China was pretty dumb. i get hating America. that’s fair and valid, but to do so while pretending that these other imperialistic super powers don’t also suck is pure denialism.

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              I get down voted from the .ml crowd for informing them their support of Trump, either direct or inadvertent, isn’t going to save Palestine its just going to get trans people killed and this gets me either blocked or banned. These people see an authoritarian and they can’t help but get a boner.

              I’m a socialist. But I’m an anti authoritarian first.

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              Arguing that either China or Russia suck comparably as much as the US as current things stand is crazy. Most criticism of China is made-up anticommunist propaganda, criticism of Russia is often coated in russophobic tropes originating in Nazism and highly chauvinistic in nature (yes, Russia is on a downwards spiral of concerning fascist trends in government, but so is the entire west, literal Sieg Heil in US president inauguration and fascist parties in Germany and Austria).

              Westerners focusing their criticism on countries doing a fraction of the evil their own countries do is simple western exceptionalism and nationalism. Neither China nor Russia have anything in their recent history remotely comparable to the genocide in Gaza, the invasion of Iraq, the carpet bombing of Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and Korea, the history of coups and support of fascist regimes, and the history of colonialism of the west.

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                i never said they were as bad as America lol. why do you have to go so far out of your way to defend two of three largest and most antagonistic countries in the world. they all suck, splitting hairs about degrees of evil isn’t worth the time.

                don’t be expansionist.

                don’t be imperialist.

                don’t hate people for how they were born.

                don’t antagonize ethnic minorities.

                all three countries are failing at more than one of these right now. they all suck.

                they really don’t need the help either…

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                  Saying that Russia is on a downward spiral towards fascism is defending it?

                  My point isn’t that you should be defending Russia or China, my point is that there’s a very disproportionate amount of criticism of Russia/China compared to the US in the west, especially flagrant if we compare how actually harmful each of these is.

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      Nah that went away with the advent of the “proportional” scoring or whatever bullshit they called it like 10 years ago

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        It’s that what happened when a popular post that was ‘blowing up’ on Reddit went from 500 updoots on the front page to mediocre front-page posts regularly getting 3-4k updoots seemingly over night?

        I was there, I remember the change, I can’t remember why it happened.

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    Where’s my vile homies at?! Let’s get freaky with some Linux and Star Trek memes.

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    Conspiracy theory those are actually written by Reddit themselves so people don’t go to the rival

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      Lol fediverse has marketing issue. So far it’s basically harder to use less functional versions of other products with larger base. Seems like “protecting you data” isn’t quite enough to compete with the additive crack corporate stuff puts out

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          Same, but I’ve also seen a bunch of people both on Reddit and Bluesky say they don’t like Lemmy because the interface feels dated, “like Reddit 10 years ago.”

          To each their own I guess. But maybe there should be an instance that sets their default theme to something that feels more modern so those who want a simpler, less usable, experience can easily have that too.

          And yeah, they’d probably become the new instance everyone complains about for being too “normie” but if we actually want the fediverse to catch on and take down corporate-owned social media, we are eventually gonna have to appeal to every part of those sites’ user bases.

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      I agree, reddit is so stagnant. I didn’t join in its prime by any means, but the place is so different since 2023. Thats what booting all the competant mods and going public does.

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      Reddit bailed out people who were unhappy with digg 2.0 then they slowly went all corporate and ended up being the same damn thing.

      I worry that in a couple years time, some corpo will start an instance, hoover up everyone with custom style and features then slowly defederate and leave us undertraveled.